Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

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speedychaos4
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Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

Postby speedychaos4 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:27 am

Hey guys, Look at this limit
\lim_{x\rightarrow0}\frac{1}{x^2}\int_{0}^{x}\frac{t+t^2}{1+sint}d t

If I use L'Hopital's rule directly, I can get the limit is 1/2

but as I tried to solve the problem in another approach, the question occured,

letf(t)=\frac{t+t^2}{1+sint} and F(t)=\int\frac{t+t^2}{1+sint}d t

then the limit could be written as

\lim_{x\rightarrow0}\frac{F(x)-F(0)}{x^2} and since x\rightarrow0

the term could then be written as
\lim_{x\rightarrow0}\frac{f(0)}{x}
and now use the L'Hopital' rule,
we will get the limit is 1

I know there is something wrong, but would you mind pointing out where I have made mistakes? thanks.
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EugeneKudashev
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Re: Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

Postby EugeneKudashev » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:46 am

I'm not following, your logic is sort of obscure (no offense).
first, you write 't' in the end of integrand, while it should be 'dt', but that's minor.
what is more significant is that you write f(x), but your right-hand side depends only on variable t, and the same is for F(x).
try again, please.

p.s. there's a very neat way how to solve this [easy] problem even w/o L'Hopital.
notice that you work with very little x (x -> 0), and recall that for such x "sin(x) ~= x" holds true. thus, the initial integral becomes
\lim\limits_{x\rightarrow0}\frac1{x^2}\int\limits_{0}^{x}\frac{t+t^2}{1+t}\,dt = \lim\limits_{x\rightarrow0}\frac1{x^2} \int\limits_{0}^{x} t \,dt = \lim\limits_{x\rightarrow0}\frac1{x^2} \frac{x^2}{2} = \frac12.

enork
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Re: Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

Postby enork » Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:51 am

You replace \frac{F(x)-F(0)}{x} with f(0) but that's not valid. \lim_{x \to 0}\frac{F(x)-F(0)}{x} = f(0) but that's not what you have.

speedychaos4
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Re: Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

Postby speedychaos4 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:02 am

EugeneKudashev wrote:I'm not following, your logic is sort of obscure (no offense).
first, you write 't' in the end of integrand, while it should be 'dt', but that's minor.
what is more significant is that you write f(x), but your right-hand side depends only on variable t, and the same is for F(x).
try again, please.

p.s. there's a very neat way how to solve this [easy] problem even w/o L'Hopital.
notice that you work with very little x (x -> 0), and recall that for such x "sin(x) ~= x" holds true. thus, the initial integral becomes
\lim\limits_{x\rightarrow0}\frac1{x^2}\int\limits_{0}^{x}\frac{t+t^2}{1+t}\,dt = \lim\limits_{x\rightarrow0}\frac1{x^2} \int\limits_{0}^{x} t \,dt = \lim\limits_{x\rightarrow0}\frac1{x^2} \frac{x^2}{2} = \frac12.


sorry for the mistakes, I have corrected now. Due to enork's explanation, I understand what is my problem, I'm messing up the property of lim.

and you "sinx~=x" approach really shed the lights on!! Thanks!!

speedychaos4
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Re: Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

Postby speedychaos4 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:04 am

enork wrote:You replace \frac{F(x)-F(0)}{x} with f(0) but that's not valid. \lim_{x \to 0}\frac{F(x)-F(0)}{x} = f(0) but that's not what you have.


Thanks, I kinda incorrectly assume that limab=limalimb

origin415
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Re: Doubts about L'Hopital's Rule

Postby origin415 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:12 am

speedychaos4 wrote:Thanks, I kinda incorrectly assume that limab=limalimb


It generally does when those limits exist, but in this case they don't (\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{x})




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