math_hopeful wrote:Thanks for the information! Can I ask you what school you're at? I'm asking this because it's presumably not Berkeley? I've seen people on this forum get accepted there with scores as low as 660 (Check the 2016 Applicant Profile thread, although granted they were waitlisted before being accepted).
lambert wrote:Scores as low as 660 I doubt it though, unless you happen to be a domestic female applicant, Berkeley seems to set the bar much lower for those demographics. For most people on the forum (aka asian / white males), a 660 will likely get your application trashed in the first round where they narrow down the pool.
math_hopeful wrote:Thanks for the information! Can I ask you what school you're at? I'm asking this because it's presumably not Berkeley?
djysyed wrote:Berkeley and UCLA are considered the most lenient and have cutoffs as mentioned by the OP. It wouldn't surprise me if OP attends Berkeley. From what I know about Harvard, MIT and other such places, they want above an 850 but won't be too hard on you if you maintain at least an 800. Almost everyone that got into Princeton broke a 900.
Banach-Steinhaus wrote:Where did you get this info from? Is it from looking through past results on this forum or talking with current students? I don't see anything about expected subject test scores on Princeton's math website, except "General and Math Subject tests - no minimum scores required." Most of the program websites I've been going through don't mention anything about average or expected subject test scores. My professors have been telling me to get the highest score I can but not to waste too much time studying for it, since admissions committees know that the subject test is not representative of your math knowledge.
djysyed wrote:Banach-Steinhaus wrote:Where did you get this info from? Is it from looking through past results on this forum or talking with current students? I don't see anything about expected subject test scores on Princeton's math website, except "General and Math Subject tests - no minimum scores required." Most of the program websites I've been going through don't mention anything about average or expected subject test scores. My professors have been telling me to get the highest score I can but not to waste too much time studying for it, since admissions committees know that the subject test is not representative of your math knowledge.
A mix of looking through the results of gradcafe, emailing various professors and speaking to some of my professors, who attended Princeton's admissions committee meetings as post-docs.
I don't mean to come off as harsh but, the GRE Subject is supposed to be easy for students at the level needed to get into a top 10 program. The difficult part is taking multiple graduate courses, having research experience, and doing very well in both of them.
FreddieBiddleBooty wrote:Then MGRE has failed it's purpose. The only thing it tests is on how fast you can do tricky (but not that tricky) calculus/linear algebra. It has almost nothing to do with research mathematics, and it fails the students whose research focus is discrete.
djysyed wrote:FreddieBiddleBooty wrote:Then MGRE has failed it's purpose. The only thing it tests is on how fast you can do tricky (but not that tricky) calculus/linear algebra. It has almost nothing to do with research mathematics, and it fails the students whose research focus is discrete.
I certainly agree to some extent. The purpose of the MGRE is to ensure that the student has a good understanding of undergraduate level mathematics. Now, the issue is, what is considered undergraduate level? Many four-year universities that offer a math degree don't teach topology, complex analysis, and the second semesters of other courses. In order to accommodate these students, who are a majority of math undergraduates, the MGRE can not ask questions that require deep knowledge of any topics not covered by a typical four-year university. In all honesty, I would love to see something like the following on an MGRE: Which of the following groups is the fundamental group of a sphere with its north and south pole identified?
The ideal exam for undergraduates would be a proof based exam with mid-level homework type problems. Many PhD programs require students to pass a "Masters" exam that tests the key areas of undergraduate mathematics at an Honors level. However, organizing a proof-based standardized exam would be almost impossible to run due to the amount of grading required.
djysyed wrote:I don't mean to come off as harsh but, the GRE Subject is supposed to be easy for students at the level needed to get into a top 10 program. The difficult part is taking multiple graduate courses, having research experience, and doing very well in both of them.
spijuank wrote:Dropping the GRE would be a bad idea. It's the only universal way schools have of comparing students from different schools. In particular, it's the only way they have of knowing if that perfect GPA from this random unknown school in the middle of nowhere actually means anything. Without this, the only realistic way to get into a good school would be already having done your undergrad in a good school. And this is a bad thing because it would just breed more elitism.
Also if you're good you can handle the GRE, what is this "I do discrete math so I can't handle some Calc 1" nonsense.
FreddieBiddleBooty wrote: It doesn't reflect research potential at all. It should not be implemented.
djysyed wrote:FreddieBiddleBooty wrote: It doesn't reflect research potential at all. It should not be implemented.
A wonderful example of someone who completed bombed the MGRE but published phenomenal research is David Yang, a first year PhD at Harvard. He got a 680 on the MGRE but published some very heavy papers in Arithmetic Geometry during his undergrad years.
FreddieBiddleBooty wrote:
It is not the only way - hence letters of rec, research, grades.
FreddieBiddleBooty wrote:
My point about discrete mathematicians was that the MGRE is meaningless in reflecting their research potential. I never said those mathematicians can't handle it - It's just mostly calculus and linear algebra, along with various other simple topics. The unfair part is the timing, given the type of questions. It doesn't reflect research potential at all. It should not be implemented.
djysyed wrote:
A wonderful example of someone who completed bombed the MGRE but published phenomenal research is David Yang, a first year PhD at Harvard. He got a 680 on the MGRE but published some very heavy papers in Arithmetic Geometry during his undergrad years.
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