Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

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benguin
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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby benguin » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:50 am

I'm definitely looking forward to such free trips!

Hi yall, I told myself I'd post my applicant profile and say "hi" once I got my first acceptance which I recently just did (Georgia Tech's PhD ACO program) so "hi!". I've been stalking the forums for awhile but was too lazy to make an account and post anything :lol:

My goal was to get into at least one school other than UH Manoa (I'm from Hawaii) so it's certainly a relief/surprise to receive an offer at this point in time :)

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby rlightec » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:18 pm

Hello everyone, has anyone of heard back from UNC Chapel Hill? I only see one acceptance from Jan 19th so far on thegradcafe.com. There aren't many postings from previous years either.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby spablo » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:34 pm

rlightec wrote:Hello everyone, has anyone of heard back from UNC Chapel Hill? I only see one acceptance from Jan 19th so far on thegradcafe.com. There aren't many postings from previous years either.


I have not heard anything from UNC, which is surprising since it was my first deadline (and I am not sure if I should consider it a bad thing that I haven't been given a response). I also haven't heard back from GA Tech either (I applied to the Pure Math PhD--I am not sure if they have been admitting people yet, or if it has just been the inter-disciplinary programs), nor any of the other programs which I applied to. It's killing me :oops:

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby rlightec » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:00 pm

^ Thank you for your reply. Waiting to hear from schools is really stressful. And yes, UNC had a Dec 15th deadline, so you would think they would release results a bit earlier, but apparently not.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:03 pm

rlightec wrote:Hello everyone, has anyone of heard back from UNC Chapel Hill? I only see one acceptance from Jan 19th so far on thegradcafe.com. There aren't many postings from previous years either.


Their deadline for math is February 14. Wait until after the deadline.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby fierydemon » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:29 pm

Turns out Berkeley and Brown have rolled out their first batch of offers. I have begun to lose my mind.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby Voided » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:56 pm

Just got my first response, rejection from U Chicago. Was expecting it but it's disheartening when it's the only decision I've had so far.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby rlightec » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:55 pm

verysweetjuices wrote:
rlightec wrote:Hello everyone, has anyone of heard back from UNC Chapel Hill? I only see one acceptance from Jan 19th so far on thegradcafe.com. There aren't many postings from previous years either.


Their deadline for math is February 14. Wait until after the deadline.


Well not really. If you want regular funding like teaching assistantship, you need to apply by Dec 15th. The website does indicate though decisions will be sent out in early February which I have missed earlier.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby babytownfrolics » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:40 pm

I was wondering: If I get an acceptance for Fall 2017 admission with a graduate teaching fellowship that includes an optional summer appointment, will I be able to take that appointment beginning in summer 2017, or will it normally begin summer 2018?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:57 pm

babytownfrolics wrote:I was wondering: If I get an acceptance for Fall 2017 admission with a graduate teaching fellowship that includes an optional summer appointment, will I be able to take that appointment beginning in summer 2017, or will it normally begin summer 2018?


Summer 2018. Why would they pay you before you enroll? Typically you don't want a summer teaching appointment... you want the summer off to do research.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby Foobanana » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:30 pm

Some guy got accepted to Duke and it wasn't me.... I think it's time to steal some identities :P

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby mathandcoffee » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:47 pm

Those of you who got results from schools with rolling admissions - how long did it take for schools to make a decision? Anxiously awaiting results :shock:

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:47 pm

There were a couple of acceptances to Brown's applied math program this weekend then a whole bunch of rejections today, but I still haven't heard back from them...haven't heard from 6 schools still and the wait is killing me!

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby fierydemon » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:17 pm

omhk wrote:There were a couple of acceptances to Brown's applied math program this weekend then a whole bunch of rejections today, but I still haven't heard back from them...haven't heard from 6 schools still and the wait is killing me!


I called Brown. They've made 22 offers, and will not be making any more. They do not have a waitlist.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby fierydemon » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:18 pm

mathandcoffee wrote:Those of you who got results from schools with rolling admissions - how long did it take for schools to make a decision? Anxiously awaiting results :shock:


I was asked for a supplemental form, and a decision was made within a week of me submitting the form

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:26 pm

fierydemon wrote:I called Brown. They've made 22 offers, and will not be making any more. They do not have a waitlist.


Thanks for letting me know. I guess I haven't gotten in then. It was definitely a big reach school for me, but I also don't think my research interests fit in as well as it did with other schools, so it was probably to be expected (among the fact that I also didn't submit a subject test score).

I'm not sure why my status won't update though. Tons of people have posted on grad cafe that they got the rejection notice via the website. It is the ApplyWeb site, right?

Oh well, fingers crossed for the remaining schools :)

Edit: fierydemon said he called the pure math dept, not applied math
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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby 420math » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:21 am

How would one rank these schools for analysis?

University of Oregon
University of Maryland @ college park
University of Missouri
University of California @ Davis
ENSI Caen/ENS Paris

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:49 am

420math wrote:How would one rank these schools for analysis?

University of Oregon
University of Maryland @ college park
University of Missouri
University of California @ Davis
ENSI Caen/ENS Paris


Maryland > UC Davis > Oregon > Missouri

ENS is hard to compare to American schools. They're different. ENS is amazing, though.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby zkx12345 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:44 pm

Will universities generally fund travelling costs for offer-holder weekends/open days? I received an offer from Michigan and have been invited to the recruitment weekend, but would unlikely be able to pay for flights myself (I'm an international student). I don't want my first email to them to be a request for more financial assistance, so was wondering what the general consensus on these sort of things is! Thanks

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby k99731 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:55 pm

zkx12345 wrote:Will universities generally fund travelling costs for offer-holder weekends/open days? I received an offer from Michigan and have been invited to the recruitment weekend, but would unlikely be able to pay for flights myself (I'm an international student). I don't want my first email to them to be a request for more financial assistance, so was wondering what the general consensus on these sort of things is! Thanks


The Berlin Math School has reimbursement for their open house. I think it is okay to ask if they provide reimbursement (for air tickets). Also you can search for more information in last year's sweat thread.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:46 pm

Found out informally today that I was recommended for admission to Brown's applied math department and nominated for a fellowship. Holy hell, I really wasn't expecting to get in at all since I didn't submit a subject test score at all and I've been out of school for 3 years now. Still feeling a little jittery

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby solveit » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:16 pm

Um, the gradcafe water polo post claiming to have been accepted to MIT is trolling, right?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:07 pm

omhk wrote:Found out informally today that I was recommended for admission to Brown's applied math department and nominated for a fellowship. Holy hell, I really wasn't expecting to get in at all since I didn't submit a subject test score at all and I've been out of school for 3 years now. Still feeling a little jittery


Apparently, I should have applied to Brown.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby korobeiniki » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:23 pm

solveit wrote:Um, the gradcafe water polo post claiming to have been accepted to MIT is trolling, right?


It's very easy to troll there so I imagine so. I feel like MIT has already given out acceptances.

A related question: do universities typically send out acceptances all-at-once or in batches? For example I know Princeton sends everything on the same day (acceptances, waitlists and rejections). I don't know about other universities though. If you see, say, MIT or Berkeley sending out acceptances (based on gradcafe posts that are not obviously fake) and you keep not getting anything in your e-mail, should you believe that you're likely rejected or on the waitlist?

(I'm sure there's no concrete answer to the above so speculating is fine)

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:28 pm

korobeiniki wrote:
solveit wrote:Um, the gradcafe water polo post claiming to have been accepted to MIT is trolling, right?


It's very easy to troll there so I imagine so. I feel like MIT has already given out acceptances.

A related question: do universities typically send out acceptances all-at-once or in batches? For example I know Princeton sends everything on the same day (acceptances, waitlists and rejections). I don't know about other universities though. If you see, say, MIT or Berkeley sending out acceptances (based on gradcafe posts that are not obviously fake) and you keep not getting anything in your e-mail, should you believe that you're likely rejected or on the waitlist?

(I'm sure there's no concrete answer to the above so speculating is fine)


Some all at once, some in batches.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby hans_k_ » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:57 pm

verysweetjuices wrote:
korobeiniki wrote:
solveit wrote:Um, the gradcafe water polo post claiming to have been accepted to MIT is trolling, right?


It's very easy to troll there so I imagine so. I feel like MIT has already given out acceptances.

A related question: do universities typically send out acceptances all-at-once or in batches? For example I know Princeton sends everything on the same day (acceptances, waitlists and rejections). I don't know about other universities though. If you see, say, MIT or Berkeley sending out acceptances (based on gradcafe posts that are not obviously fake) and you keep not getting anything in your e-mail, should you believe that you're likely rejected or on the waitlist?

(I'm sure there's no concrete answer to the above so speculating is fine)


Some all at once, some in batches.


So which schools send at once?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:57 am

hans_k_ wrote:
So which schools send at once?


Brown and Princeton.
There are probably more.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby veniamin3253 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:34 am

solveit wrote:Um, the gradcafe water polo post claiming to have been accepted to MIT is trolling, right?

MIT is a trade school :) (Sheldon Cooper)

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:34 pm

Anyone heard from Stanford ICME? Someone posted that offers went out, but there is only one result for this cycle so far, and it's for a masters.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby xiaozs1995 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:45 pm

omhk wrote:Anyone heard from Stanford ICME? Someone posted that offers went out, but there is only one result for this cycle so far, and it's for a masters.

Pretty sure. I see one post of phd offer@ICME on a Chinese forum.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:00 pm

xiaozs1995 wrote:
omhk wrote:Anyone heard from Stanford ICME? Someone posted that offers went out, but there is only one result for this cycle so far, and it's for a masters.

Pretty sure. I see one post of phd offer@ICME on a Chinese forum.


Ah, okay. Congrats to those who got in! I'm happy with the schools I got into so far, and Stanford was always a pipe dream in any case

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby Xuexue » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:09 pm

Just called Brown. They said that they have sent all of their (pure math) offers. "If you haven't heard yet, then I think you can guess what your result is."
Also called MIT, the lady said 'check your emails' from next Monday on.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby not_an_engineer » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:15 pm

Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby verysweetjuices » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:26 pm

not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?


No I've heard back from quite a few, actually. I haven't heard back yet from Ohio State yet which is funny, but I'm not really interested in going there anyway to be honest.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby topologyandtacos » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:58 pm

not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?


I'm in the same boat. I've had one program contact me about potential fellowship qualifications/awards (which I think is a good sign), but they haven't directly mentinned anything about my acceptance. At this point, I'd be excited to literally hear anything--maybe even a rejection to get that first blow out of the way.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby not_an_engineer » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:27 pm

topologyandtacos wrote:
not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?


I'm in the same boat. I've had one program contact me about potential fellowship qualifications/awards (which I think is a good sign), but they haven't directly mentinned anything about my acceptance. At this point, I'd be excited to literally hear anything--maybe even a rejection to get that first blow out of the way.


Me too! Was it Oregon State? :) I want to feel good about it, but don't want to assume I'm in without hearing officially, for risk of getting my hopes up or jinxing it or something. Gah.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby xiaozs1995 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:32 pm

omhk wrote:
xiaozs1995 wrote:
omhk wrote:Anyone heard from Stanford ICME? Someone posted that offers went out, but there is only one result for this cycle so far, and it's for a masters.

Pretty sure. I see one post of phd offer@ICME on a Chinese forum.


Ah, okay. Congrats to those who got in! I'm happy with the schools I got into so far, and Stanford was always a pipe dream in any case

It's weird that there is not even a single post on grad cafe...so they might have more offers coming out. We still have hope!

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:42 am

xiaozs1995 wrote:It's weird that there is not even a single post on grad cafe...so they might have more offers coming out. We still have hope!


Yeah, I agree. It's a competitive program for sure, but not so competitive that not a single person on here or grad cafe wouldn't have an acceptance. I saw someone added a note to the ICME results on grad cafe that they confirmed "some" offers have been made, but not sure how they know. At this time last year, ICME already sent out rejections too. Maybe they're slow this year.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby topologyandtacos » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:46 am

not_an_engineer wrote:
topologyandtacos wrote:
not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?


I'm in the same boat. I've had one program contact me about potential fellowship qualifications/awards (which I think is a good sign), but they haven't directly mentinned anything about my acceptance. At this point, I'd be excited to literally hear anything--maybe even a rejection to get that first blow out of the way.


Me too! Was it Oregon State? :) I want to feel good about it, but don't want to assume I'm in without hearing officially, for risk of getting my hopes up or jinxing it or something. Gah.


It was! And whenever I correspond with them, they always get back to me so quickly. They told me I would hear from them "very soon," but who knows when that could be lol. Just the little bit I've interacted with them has made me more excited/interested in their program, but I wonder if that's a side-effect of them being the only program I've had contact with?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby zkx12345 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:05 am

zkx12345 wrote:Will universities generally fund travelling costs for offer-holder weekends/open days? I received an offer from Michigan and have been invited to the recruitment weekend, but would unlikely be able to pay for flights myself (I'm an international student). I don't want my first email to them to be a request for more financial assistance, so was wondering what the general consensus on these sort of things is! Thanks


Update for anyone else wondering; they've said they'll cover about half the airfare, which still leaves me with a few hundred to pay. Don't know if this partial reimbursement is standard across universities, but I should hopefully be able to cover my half.

On another note, has anyone heard anything about an offer holders' weekend (or something similar) at Duke? Can't find anything online about it so don't even know if there is one, it wasn't mentioned in my acceptance letter.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby solveit » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:36 am

If you're going to multiple open houses that are geographically close, the universities may be willing to split the bill for your airfare.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby mathandcoffee » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:26 pm

not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?

I haven't heard back from anywhere either. I'm losing my mind :shock:

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby mathdumb » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:23 pm

mathandcoffee wrote:
not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?

I haven't heard back from anywhere either. I'm losing my mind :shock:

Is it normal that all my application are "pending" while I see there are acceptance and rejection from the same school?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby 420math » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:16 am

mathdumb wrote:
mathandcoffee wrote:
not_an_engineer wrote:Anyone else not yet heard back from a single school? I'm driving myself crazy checking gradcafe all the time... :?

I haven't heard back from anywhere either. I'm losing my mind :shock:

Is it normal that all my application are "pending" while I see there are acceptance and rejection from the same school?


It means you didn't get accepted or you were not their first choice and if someone who was their first choice declines their offer you could get an offer.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby eulerphi » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:12 pm

Just got an email from Stanford saying ICME decisions have been made, and to log onto the "Application Activity Status Page". But I don't see anything there. So nerve wracking..

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby zihuatanejo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:26 pm

eulerphi wrote:Just got an email from Stanford saying ICME decisions have been made, and to log onto the "Application Activity Status Page". But I don't see anything there. So nerve wracking..

I'm in the same boat! Think my head is going to burst

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby eulerphi » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:30 pm

zihuatanejo wrote:
eulerphi wrote:Just got an email from Stanford saying ICME decisions have been made, and to log onto the "Application Activity Status Page". But I don't see anything there. So nerve wracking..

I'm in the same boat! Think my head is going to burst


Oh, it's up now. As expected I was not admitted.

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby omhk » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:25 pm

Yup, no go from Stanford ICME for me as well. I got into UT Austin's CSEM today with a nice fellowship though

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

Postby topologyandtacos » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:16 pm

I was trolling grad cafe earlier and saw the first acceptance for one of my potential programs...but it was for a masters applicant and not a PhD applicant. Is this odd at all?

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Re: Fall 2017 Sweat Thread

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