November 2012 scores
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:35 pm
I did terribly (59th percentile) . I don't know what happened as I answered 56 questions and I felt confident about most of them.
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They're available by phone.aherring wrote:How do you know your score? I thought scores would not be available until 10 December, 2012...
They norm the tests so that scores, as much as possible, are universally comparable. Though scores in China may be high relative to others, test takers there are not penalized for that and their scores will reflect their test results just as if they took the test in the USA. So scaled scores and percentiles are meant to be comparable across regions during the same year.math_applicant wrote:may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.
I felt the same way after getting my October test scores. Time constraints and stress often induce a lot of small mistakes.virgo wrote:Wow congrats guys! I guess I was wrong about percentile inflation then. I must have seriously screwed up. If I go by the scaling in the sample test, I probably missed at least 16 problems. I have no effing clue what happened.
I am not talking about the scaled score nor the percentile. You are right about these. I am talking about the scaling from raw scores to scaled scores. Raw scores on different test editions correspond to different scaled scores. Such scaling, according to ETS, is test-edition-dependent and is meant to take care of the difference in difficulty between different test editions. My assumption is that the level of difficulty of a certain edition is (at least in part) dependent on the performance of the test takers on this edition. In this case, if a US student achieves the same performance (raw score) on a test in China, (s)he will get a lower scaled score/percentile.IIIII wrote:They norm the tests so that scores, as much as possible, are universally comparable. Though scores in China may be high relative to others, test takers there are not penalized for that and their scores will reflect their test results just as if they took the test in the USA. So scaled scores and percentiles are meant to be comparable across regions during the same year.math_applicant wrote:may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.
Additionally, the scaled score is meant to be totally invariant (by test, year, region, etc.) (Though sometime in the early 2000s (2001 maybe?) they rescaled the test because too many people were maxing it.) So a 700/890 should be seen as an equally good test taker in 2012 or 2007 or 2004 in China, India, the USA, or elsewhere.
Yeah I suck under pressure. I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.IIIII wrote:I felt the same way after getting my October test scores. Time constraints and stress often induce a lot of small mistakes.virgo wrote:Wow congrats guys! I guess I was wrong about percentile inflation then. I must have seriously screwed up. If I go by the scaling in the sample test, I probably missed at least 16 problems. I have no effing clue what happened.
Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.
I'm aware of this which is why I'm so upset. My school isn't really well known so I know that the gre will weigh heavily. I mean it isn't a diploma mill and our department is ranked in the top 100 but still there's no evidence to show that my good grades and grad classes mean anything.math_applicant wrote:Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.
They have some of the same questions in multiple editions of the test (and occasionally across multiple years). They use these to ensure that one test is not disproportionately hard, etc. It ends up being very fair and balanced.math_applicant wrote:I am not talking about the scaled score nor the percentile. You are right about these. I am talking about the scaling from raw scores to scaled scores. Raw scores on different test editions correspond to different scaled scores. Such scaling, according to ETS, is test-edition-dependent and is meant to take care of the difference in difficulty between different test editions. My assumption is that the level of difficulty of a certain edition is (at least in part) dependent on the performance of the test takers on this edition. In this case, if a US student achieves the same performance (raw score) on a test in China, (s)he will get a lower scaled score/percentile.IIIII wrote:They norm the tests so that scores, as much as possible, are universally comparable. Though scores in China may be high relative to others, test takers there are not penalized for that and their scores will reflect their test results just as if they took the test in the USA. So scaled scores and percentiles are meant to be comparable across regions during the same year.math_applicant wrote:may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.
Additionally, the scaled score is meant to be totally invariant (by test, year, region, etc.) (Though sometime in the early 2000s (2001 maybe?) they rescaled the test because too many people were maxing it.) So a 700/890 should be seen as an equally good test taker in 2012 or 2007 or 2004 in China, India, the USA, or elsewhere.
On a related note, I know for a fact that UCLA admits students who score around the 60th percentile on the GRE Subject Test. A very good friend of mine was one of those people, and he says that he knows a couple people who didn't do so hot on the GRE. So, don't give up hope if you're applying to UCLA!math_applicant wrote:Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.
I feel your pain, man. October test went the same way for me, though I was 10 points lower, and I didn't change my approach much for November. I REALLY hope I got in the 60th percentile at least; else, I guess I should brace for the reality that my hopes and dreams are going to be shattered.virgo wrote:I did terribly (59th percentile) . I don't know what happened as I answered 56 questions and I felt confident about most of them.
I'm an undergrad at UCLA and I was told that applications are reviewed by three professors, and it's basically up to them to decide what's important. The three scores are then compiled into a ranking, and they accept the top X from the list (though there is some fudge factor when it comes to offering funding, as it's cheaper for them to have domestic students).rmg512 wrote:On a related note, I know for a fact that UCLA admits students who score around the 60th percentile on the GRE Subject Test. A very good friend of mine was one of those people, and he says that he knows a couple people who didn't do so hot on the GRE. So, don't give up hope if you're applying to UCLA!math_applicant wrote:Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.
Yeah, I noticed someone with a similar profile to me got accepted with 61% so I'm definitely applying there. I also heard that someone got accepted into Chicago with like 32%. I'm not sure whether that's folklore or not. I've crossed Berkeley and Stanford off my list and I'm thinking I should probably cross off MIT although I have connections there. The hilarious thing is that I didn't guess much at all specifically because I wanted to be precise. I could have answered 60+ questions if I did. I still can't get over the shock that I missed THAT many questions when I was sure about all but 3-5 of them.rmg512 wrote:I feel your pain, man. October test went the same way for me, though I was 10 points lower, and I didn't change my approach much for November. I REALLY hope I got in the 60th percentile at least; else, I guess I should brace for the reality that my hopes and dreams are going to be shattered.virgo wrote:I did terribly (59th percentile) . I don't know what happened as I answered 56 questions and I felt confident about most of them.
ETS is evil...
People on this forum believe midnight. So, in 80 minutes.ucmath wrote:so.. if you don't want to pay $12 for the scores will we hear back by midnight or sometime during the day tomorrow?
If everything else is amazing, they might overlook it, particularly UCLA.Gasquet wrote:Don't believe this.
750 (72%)
I thought I had done very well. Attempted all and was confident of 63
Had even got 90% in the practice test.
Do Princeton/Brown/UCLA care a lot for GRE scores for applied math? Should I still try my luck with these schools or is it a waste of money? Which schools other that Berkeley have the 80% cut off?
They probably just decided to scale the second test to your first test =Pnico wrote:wow....how weird is it that I got the EXACT same score as in october.....wtf....I wonder if they messed up inputting the grades....
I blame it on the jet lag. >___<marco wrote:Legendre: From 66% to 97% cool man! Congrats!
I got into Princeton with 770 (77%) for pure maths, so it's certainly possible. But it depends a lot on the rest of your application, obviously.Gasquet wrote:Don't believe this.
750 (72%)
I thought I had done very well. Attempted all and was confident of 63
Had even got 90% in the practice test.
Do Princeton/Brown/UCLA care a lot for GRE scores for applied math? Should I still try my luck with these schools or is it a waste of money? Which schools other that Berkeley have the 80% cut off?
Well done! And thanks for sharing.kuz wrote: I got into Princeton with 770 (77%) for pure maths, so it's certainly possible. But it depends a lot on the rest of your application, obviously.
The average score for brown is under 70th percentile.Gasquet wrote:Don't believe this.
750 (72%)
I thought I had done very well. Attempted all and was confident of 63
Had even got 90% in the practice test.
Do Princeton/Brown/UCLA care a lot for GRE scores for applied math? Should I still try my luck with these schools or is it a waste of money? Which schools other that Berkeley have the 80% cut off?
kuz wrote: I got into Princeton with 770 (77%) for pure maths, so it's certainly possible. But it depends a lot on the rest of your application, obviously.
Thanks for the infovirgo wrote:The average score for brown is under 70th percentile.