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November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:35 pm

I did terribly (59th percentile) :cry: . I don't know what happened as I answered 56 questions and I felt confident about most of them.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby aherring » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:35 pm

How do you know your score? I thought scores would not be available until 10 December, 2012...

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:38 pm

aherring wrote:How do you know your score? I thought scores would not be available until 10 December, 2012...

They're available by phone.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby math_applicant » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:57 pm

may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:07 pm

I'm from the U.S.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby scarletshade » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:13 pm

just called, got 770, 76% uhhhhh, I did 65 out of 66 problems tho. The penalty kills

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby aherring » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:15 pm

Would you mind sharing the phone number you used to find this info out? Does one need to pay for these scores?

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby scarletshade » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:21 pm

1-609-771-7290 , its on ets's site

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby IIIII » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:53 pm

math_applicant wrote:may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.

They norm the tests so that scores, as much as possible, are universally comparable. Though scores in China may be high relative to others, test takers there are not penalized for that and their scores will reflect their test results just as if they took the test in the USA. So scaled scores and percentiles are meant to be comparable across regions during the same year.

Additionally, the scaled score is meant to be totally invariant (by test, year, region, etc.) (Though sometime in the early 2000s (2001 maybe?) they rescaled the test because too many people were maxing it.) So a 700/890 should be seen as an equally good test taker in 2012 or 2007 or 2004 in China, India, the USA, or elsewhere.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:16 pm

Honestly I think what happened with this test was that it was pretty easy so there was percentile inflation. I thought it was very computational and I tend to make silly mistakes and I think that's what hurt me in the long run. I'm so mad at myself.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby dexter » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:38 pm

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby holomorphic » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:40 pm

Just called ets to get scores yesterday, so happy to get 860/91%. I answered about 58 questions, with at least 4 mistakes.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:05 pm

Wow congrats guys! I guess I was wrong about percentile inflation then. I must have seriously screwed up. If I go by the scaling in the sample test, I probably missed at least 16 problems. I have no effing clue what happened.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby IIIII » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:36 pm

virgo wrote:Wow congrats guys! I guess I was wrong about percentile inflation then. I must have seriously screwed up. If I go by the scaling in the sample test, I probably missed at least 16 problems. I have no effing clue what happened.


I felt the same way after getting my October test scores. Time constraints and stress often induce a lot of small mistakes.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby math_applicant » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:42 pm

IIIII wrote:
math_applicant wrote:may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.

They norm the tests so that scores, as much as possible, are universally comparable. Though scores in China may be high relative to others, test takers there are not penalized for that and their scores will reflect their test results just as if they took the test in the USA. So scaled scores and percentiles are meant to be comparable across regions during the same year.

Additionally, the scaled score is meant to be totally invariant (by test, year, region, etc.) (Though sometime in the early 2000s (2001 maybe?) they rescaled the test because too many people were maxing it.) So a 700/890 should be seen as an equally good test taker in 2012 or 2007 or 2004 in China, India, the USA, or elsewhere.


I am not talking about the scaled score nor the percentile. You are right about these. I am talking about the scaling from raw scores to scaled scores. Raw scores on different test editions correspond to different scaled scores. Such scaling, according to ETS, is test-edition-dependent and is meant to take care of the difference in difficulty between different test editions. My assumption is that the level of difficulty of a certain edition is (at least in part) dependent on the performance of the test takers on this edition. In this case, if a US student achieves the same performance (raw score) on a test in China, (s)he will get a lower scaled score/percentile.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:10 pm

IIIII wrote:
virgo wrote:Wow congrats guys! I guess I was wrong about percentile inflation then. I must have seriously screwed up. If I go by the scaling in the sample test, I probably missed at least 16 problems. I have no effing clue what happened.


I felt the same way after getting my October test scores. Time constraints and stress often induce a lot of small mistakes.

Yeah I suck under pressure. I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby math_applicant » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:29 pm

virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.


Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:47 pm

math_applicant wrote:
virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.


Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.

I'm aware of this which is why I'm so upset. My school isn't really well known so I know that the gre will weigh heavily. I mean it isn't a diploma mill and our department is ranked in the top 100 but still there's no evidence to show that my good grades and grad classes mean anything.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby IIIII » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:42 pm

math_applicant wrote:
IIIII wrote:
math_applicant wrote:may be your region had some sort of percentile inflation, I hear scores in mainland china tend to be higher than everywhere else.

They norm the tests so that scores, as much as possible, are universally comparable. Though scores in China may be high relative to others, test takers there are not penalized for that and their scores will reflect their test results just as if they took the test in the USA. So scaled scores and percentiles are meant to be comparable across regions during the same year.

Additionally, the scaled score is meant to be totally invariant (by test, year, region, etc.) (Though sometime in the early 2000s (2001 maybe?) they rescaled the test because too many people were maxing it.) So a 700/890 should be seen as an equally good test taker in 2012 or 2007 or 2004 in China, India, the USA, or elsewhere.


I am not talking about the scaled score nor the percentile. You are right about these. I am talking about the scaling from raw scores to scaled scores. Raw scores on different test editions correspond to different scaled scores. Such scaling, according to ETS, is test-edition-dependent and is meant to take care of the difference in difficulty between different test editions. My assumption is that the level of difficulty of a certain edition is (at least in part) dependent on the performance of the test takers on this edition. In this case, if a US student achieves the same performance (raw score) on a test in China, (s)he will get a lower scaled score/percentile.


They have some of the same questions in multiple editions of the test (and occasionally across multiple years). They use these to ensure that one test is not disproportionately hard, etc. It ends up being very fair and balanced.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby rmg512 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:55 am

math_applicant wrote:
virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.


Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.


On a related note, I know for a fact that UCLA admits students who score around the 60th percentile on the GRE Subject Test. A very good friend of mine was one of those people, and he says that he knows a couple people who didn't do so hot on the GRE. So, don't give up hope if you're applying to UCLA!

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby rmg512 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:58 am

virgo wrote:I did terribly (59th percentile) :cry: . I don't know what happened as I answered 56 questions and I felt confident about most of them.


I feel your pain, man. October test went the same way for me, though I was 10 points lower, and I didn't change my approach much for November. I REALLY hope I got in the 60th percentile at least; else, I guess I should brace for the reality that my hopes and dreams are going to be shattered.


ETS is evil...

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby tcbh » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:58 am

rmg512 wrote:
math_applicant wrote:
virgo wrote: I'm wondering if I should bother to apply to top 10 schools now. Does anyone know which ones care less about the gre? Obviously not Berkeley.


Here are some thoughts that might help: I read that math gre matters mainly for evaluating the undergrad institution (whether you got serious education or not), so it is particularly helpful for international students from unknown schools or domestic from small US schools. So, if your school is known in the US to some degree, then your coursework, your grade record and recommendations should make up for such score (they know then that such strong record is really worth something). I read about students getting to princeton with 67% on GRE. Also, the GRE bar is generally lower for domestic students than for internationals, I found statistics at schools where the median differed by 20% among the two groups of admitted students (Ohio State). Finally, don't beat yourself up about it, it is not worth it, it was a bad experience for almost everyone and people manage stress to variable degrees.


On a related note, I know for a fact that UCLA admits students who score around the 60th percentile on the GRE Subject Test. A very good friend of mine was one of those people, and he says that he knows a couple people who didn't do so hot on the GRE. So, don't give up hope if you're applying to UCLA!


I'm an undergrad at UCLA and I was told that applications are reviewed by three professors, and it's basically up to them to decide what's important. The three scores are then compiled into a ranking, and they accept the top X from the list (though there is some fudge factor when it comes to offering funding, as it's cheaper for them to have domestic students).

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby rmg512 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:24 am

Ah. Thanks for letting me know! I sure hope I get 3 professors who really like my application...

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:36 am

rmg512 wrote:
virgo wrote:I did terribly (59th percentile) :cry: . I don't know what happened as I answered 56 questions and I felt confident about most of them.


I feel your pain, man. October test went the same way for me, though I was 10 points lower, and I didn't change my approach much for November. I REALLY hope I got in the 60th percentile at least; else, I guess I should brace for the reality that my hopes and dreams are going to be shattered.


ETS is evil...

Yeah, I noticed someone with a similar profile to me got accepted with 61% so I'm definitely applying there. I also heard that someone got accepted into Chicago with like 32%. I'm not sure whether that's folklore or not. I've crossed Berkeley and Stanford off my list and I'm thinking I should probably cross off MIT although I have connections there. The hilarious thing is that I didn't guess much at all specifically because I wanted to be precise. I could have answered 60+ questions if I did. I still can't get over the shock that I missed THAT many questions when I was sure about all but 3-5 of them.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby rmg512 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:04 pm

That's exactly how I felt about that October test.

And, by the way, that guy Txe you're referring to is the friend I referred to. :)

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby ucmath » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:44 pm

so.. if you don't want to pay $12 for the scores will we hear back by midnight or sometime during the day tomorrow?

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Gasquet » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:41 pm

ucmath wrote:so.. if you don't want to pay $12 for the scores will we hear back by midnight or sometime during the day tomorrow?


People on this forum believe midnight. So, in 80 minutes.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby QuantumCow » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:16 am

I'm anxiously awaiting my scores too! I hope it's midnight!

I don't understand why ETS doesn't just post them online as soon as they're able to send them to schools =( Money grubbers. Had I known Friday it would have been worth the 12 dollars, but now it would just be silly to pay it.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby tcbh » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:01 am

ok, they're up now

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby rmg512 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:05 am

670. Did 10 points worse than I did in October. :cry:

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby QuantumCow » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:14 am

also 770, 76th percentile. I answered all 66 questions so I guess I must have gotten a bunch wrong too.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby marco » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:20 am

I got 760/74 percentile, 13 percentile points more than in October.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Gasquet » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:20 am

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby rmg512 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:22 am

Gasquet wrote:Don't believe this.

750 (72%) :( :cry:
I thought I had done very well. Attempted all and was confident of 63 :?
Had even got 90% in the practice test.

Do Princeton/Brown/UCLA care a lot for GRE scores for applied math? Should I still try my luck with these schools or is it a waste of money? Which schools other that Berkeley have the 80% cut off?


If everything else is amazing, they might overlook it, particularly UCLA.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Wiskunde » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:25 am

790 80% ... I solved 64 out of 66.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby nico » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:27 am

wow....how weird is it that I got the EXACT same score as in october.....wtf....I wonder if they messed up inputting the grades....

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby QuantumCow » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:35 am

nico wrote:wow....how weird is it that I got the EXACT same score as in october.....wtf....I wonder if they messed up inputting the grades....


They probably just decided to scale the second test to your first test =P

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby IIIII » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:30 am

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Legendre » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:52 am

YES!!! 900 - 97%. Answered 61/66 with confidence. All that effort was worth it!

Started studying since Feb. Actually took the test for the third time. Sank in quite a bit of time and effort.
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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby taronk » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:35 am

Mine was 840 - 88%. I took the Nov. test in South East Asia. I did 56/66 and I know at least one answer was incorrect. Is there a way to know how many correct answers that I did?

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby ranger2012 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:21 pm

When will the scores be available online?

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby marco » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:28 pm

Legendre: From 66% to 97% cool man! Congrats!

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Legendre » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:38 pm

marco wrote:Legendre: From 66% to 97% cool man! Congrats!


I blame it on the jet lag. >___<

Was working overseas, had to fly back home to take the test. stayed 1 month, no prob in Nov!

Thanks though. I should also thank Score Select. :lol:

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby kuz » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:41 pm

Gasquet wrote:Don't believe this.

750 (72%) :( :cry:
I thought I had done very well. Attempted all and was confident of 63 :?
Had even got 90% in the practice test.

Do Princeton/Brown/UCLA care a lot for GRE scores for applied math? Should I still try my luck with these schools or is it a waste of money? Which schools other that Berkeley have the 80% cut off?

I got into Princeton with 770 (77%) for pure maths, so it's certainly possible. But it depends a lot on the rest of your application, obviously.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Legendre » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:45 pm

kuz wrote:I got into Princeton with 770 (77%) for pure maths, so it's certainly possible. But it depends a lot on the rest of your application, obviously.


Well done! And thanks for sharing.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby nsubseth » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:31 pm

I spent quite a bit of time, money and effort studying mathematics over the last four years and ets rapes me. 39%. Goodbye dreams.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby coolestcurtis » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:19 pm

Well, you can all pat yourselves on the back because you did better that I did! 21st percentile. I mean seriously. W.T.F. I attribute it mostly to taking a year and a half off after graduation, doing nothing math-related during that time, and then deciding to apply to grad school. So I haven't touched most of the stuff on the test in 3-5 years as opposed to 0-2 years for undergraduate test-takers and only had a month to study. But maybe I'm just giving myself excuses. I have a strong record otherwise, 3.91 GPA from an extremely well known research institution, research experience, etc etc etc. You hear of miracles of people with 50-60% getting into top schools with an otherwise strong record, but 21%. Pfft. Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I felt if anyone would understand it would be people here. Best of luck to everyone!

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby virgo » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:27 pm

Gasquet wrote:Don't believe this.

750 (72%) :( :cry:
I thought I had done very well. Attempted all and was confident of 63 :?
Had even got 90% in the practice test.

Do Princeton/Brown/UCLA care a lot for GRE scores for applied math? Should I still try my luck with these schools or is it a waste of money? Which schools other that Berkeley have the 80% cut off?
The average score for brown is under 70th percentile.

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby Gasquet » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:56 pm

kuz wrote:I got into Princeton with 770 (77%) for pure maths, so it's certainly possible. But it depends a lot on the rest of your application, obviously.


virgo wrote:The average score for brown is under 70th percentile.


Thanks for the info

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Re: November 2012 scores

Postby doomedforever » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:52 am

All right, I bet none of you can top me here: I got a score in the single digits percentile. I have good grades and went to an Ivy, along with good general GRE scores. So yes, it's extremely bizzare given my background, but whatever. I hope this makes you "low" scorers feel better :D




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